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		<title>By: Twist</title>
		<link>http://efx3.com/2009/03/18/complaints-already-seriously/comment-page-1/#comment-202</link>
		<dc:creator>Twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all been blown massively out of proportion, if you ask me. I didn&#039;t know anything about this until Pixie told me just now, and from what I&#039;ve read (yay links!) it all seems a tad ridiculous.

*dons hard hat* This is a construction zone, kids. Let&#039;s do the safety dance!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all been blown massively out of proportion, if you ask me. I didn&#8217;t know anything about this until Pixie told me just now, and from what I&#8217;ve read (yay links!) it all seems a tad ridiculous.</p>
<p>*dons hard hat* This is a construction zone, kids. Let&#8217;s do the safety dance!</p>
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		<title>By: rustybroomhandle</title>
		<link>http://efx3.com/2009/03/18/complaints-already-seriously/comment-page-1/#comment-199</link>
		<dc:creator>rustybroomhandle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha, Elisa... it&#039;s not really a fight. Just a huge string of misunderstandings, hastily drawn conclusions, flaring tempers, insults* ... er... ok, yeah, it&#039;s a fight. :) 


*That was me... I eventually resorted to name calling after failing with the rational reasoning ploy. Ohhh well.


And a footnote... All you peeps, please do point out things on the site that you want to change, improve, etc.! We have a massive to-do list since we announced the site a tad early, so some things might be on this list already, but there are always things we don&#039;t think about. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, Elisa&#8230; it&#8217;s not really a fight. Just a huge string of misunderstandings, hastily drawn conclusions, flaring tempers, insults* &#8230; er&#8230; ok, yeah, it&#8217;s a fight. :) </p>
<p>*That was me&#8230; I eventually resorted to name calling after failing with the rational reasoning ploy. Ohhh well.</p>
<p>And a footnote&#8230; All you peeps, please do point out things on the site that you want to change, improve, etc.! We have a massive to-do list since we announced the site a tad early, so some things might be on this list already, but there are always things we don&#8217;t think about. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: WelshPixie</title>
		<link>http://efx3.com/2009/03/18/complaints-already-seriously/comment-page-1/#comment-198</link>
		<dc:creator>WelshPixie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 06:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Elisa. :)</description>
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		<title>By: elisataufik</title>
		<link>http://efx3.com/2009/03/18/complaints-already-seriously/comment-page-1/#comment-197</link>
		<dc:creator>elisataufik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 06:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ooh ooohhh a fight?
this is really exciting... 
*grins*

I think people who starts to feel entitled needs to take a minute to realize that they are actually blessed instead.

*hugs pixie and the broom*
rock on.

*and hugs PD too ;) *</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ooh ooohhh a fight?<br />
this is really exciting&#8230;<br />
*grins*</p>
<p>I think people who starts to feel entitled needs to take a minute to realize that they are actually blessed instead.</p>
<p>*hugs pixie and the broom*<br />
rock on.</p>
<p>*and hugs PD too ;) *</p>
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		<title>By: mothman</title>
		<link>http://efx3.com/2009/03/18/complaints-already-seriously/comment-page-1/#comment-196</link>
		<dc:creator>mothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 03:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I hadn&#039;t read any of this... :(   Sometimes ignorance is bliss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I hadn&#8217;t read any of this&#8230; :(   Sometimes ignorance is bliss.</p>
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		<title>By: psyphen</title>
		<link>http://efx3.com/2009/03/18/complaints-already-seriously/comment-page-1/#comment-99</link>
		<dc:creator>psyphen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>some people don&#039;t deserve access</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>some people don&#8217;t deserve access</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://efx3.com/2009/03/18/complaints-already-seriously/comment-page-1/#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you :D</p>
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		<title>By: mercedes</title>
		<link>http://efx3.com/2009/03/18/complaints-already-seriously/comment-page-1/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>mercedes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy are you kidding me? really?! Geez. This site runs smooth and quickly. I am loving it here. I guess you can&#039;t please all the people all the time but good heavens this site has been around a week. All things considering this site rocks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy are you kidding me? really?! Geez. This site runs smooth and quickly. I am loving it here. I guess you can&#8217;t please all the people all the time but good heavens this site has been around a week. All things considering this site rocks.</p>
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		<title>By: teamdemented</title>
		<link>http://efx3.com/2009/03/18/complaints-already-seriously/comment-page-1/#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator>teamdemented</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pixie and I were chatting about this and I said it was the efx3 version of the &#039;Be Afraid&#039; speech from the movie Air Force One (starring Harrison Ford). A few of them have already been taken to task by PM or realised their mistake when they read the topic on Pixie&#039;s blog. Some have had the integrity to apologise, some have added their voices in support as if what they previously wrote somehow didn&#039;t exist, and some are completely oblivious or use weak excuses to &#039;explain&#039; that black is really white.

I&#039;ve been a voluble critic of the critics ever since the original efx started falling over and I always felt a bit like the voice crying out in the wilderness. I&#039;d get plenty of PM support but little to none out in front where it would make a difference.

This time it&#039;s different. Pixie isn&#039;t going to take shit from anyone, as we&#039;ve seen here and on her blog. What&#039;s really heartening is to see others who have traditionally offered quiet support or just silent agreement in principle start to openly comment. 

When good and non-controversial, non-confrontational people like yourselves and folks such as Elisa, Deejay and Kel start and continue to make public comment in support of the admins AND in condemnation of the idiots, there&#039;s not only a greater chance that the boneheads will get lost but also the chance that a true community voice and personality will emerge. 

Every efx so far as been made up of small groups who keep pretty much to themselves, but I think a strong message of intolerance towards the &quot;Here we go again&quot;, &quot;This is the last time!&quot;, &quot;It&#039;s all about me&quot; and the &quot;How dare you inconvenience me&quot; pricks will either rid us of the vermin or make it clear to them that they are monstrously outnumbered and on a path that will see them leave or publicly apologise and pull their heads in.

It&#039;s their turn to feel what it&#039;s like to be targets. The difference is, they deserve it. Keith had hundreds of spiteful and untrue comments aimed at him even though he always said efx was just a hobby. Those comments were made by people who say they love efx. Damned strange sort of love. Those same people are now beginning to migrate to efx3. Without our support for the admins and efx3 they&#039;ll continue to slag off, because they&#039;ve successfully done it before and gotten away with it. 

&quot;NO!&quot;

Good on you, Pixie and Rusty, for standing up for yourselves. I hope we, as a new community, draw a clear line that says to the whiners &quot;Do Not Cross&quot;. We don&#039;t all have to be best friends with each other but I sometimes wonder to what degree Keith gave up because of the non-stop cowardice and stupidity of what way too many efxers did to him.

I&#039;d prefer it if we didn&#039;t push Pixie and Rusty anywhere near the same brink Keith was pushed to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pixie and I were chatting about this and I said it was the efx3 version of the &#8216;Be Afraid&#8217; speech from the movie Air Force One (starring Harrison Ford). A few of them have already been taken to task by PM or realised their mistake when they read the topic on Pixie&#8217;s blog. Some have had the integrity to apologise, some have added their voices in support as if what they previously wrote somehow didn&#8217;t exist, and some are completely oblivious or use weak excuses to &#8216;explain&#8217; that black is really white.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been a voluble critic of the critics ever since the original efx started falling over and I always felt a bit like the voice crying out in the wilderness. I&#8217;d get plenty of PM support but little to none out in front where it would make a difference.</p>
<p>This time it&#8217;s different. Pixie isn&#8217;t going to take shit from anyone, as we&#8217;ve seen here and on her blog. What&#8217;s really heartening is to see others who have traditionally offered quiet support or just silent agreement in principle start to openly comment. </p>
<p>When good and non-controversial, non-confrontational people like yourselves and folks such as Elisa, Deejay and Kel start and continue to make public comment in support of the admins AND in condemnation of the idiots, there&#8217;s not only a greater chance that the boneheads will get lost but also the chance that a true community voice and personality will emerge. </p>
<p>Every efx so far as been made up of small groups who keep pretty much to themselves, but I think a strong message of intolerance towards the &#8220;Here we go again&#8221;, &#8220;This is the last time!&#8221;, &#8220;It&#8217;s all about me&#8221; and the &#8220;How dare you inconvenience me&#8221; pricks will either rid us of the vermin or make it clear to them that they are monstrously outnumbered and on a path that will see them leave or publicly apologise and pull their heads in.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s their turn to feel what it&#8217;s like to be targets. The difference is, they deserve it. Keith had hundreds of spiteful and untrue comments aimed at him even though he always said efx was just a hobby. Those comments were made by people who say they love efx. Damned strange sort of love. Those same people are now beginning to migrate to efx3. Without our support for the admins and efx3 they&#8217;ll continue to slag off, because they&#8217;ve successfully done it before and gotten away with it. </p>
<p>&#8220;NO!&#8221;</p>
<p>Good on you, Pixie and Rusty, for standing up for yourselves. I hope we, as a new community, draw a clear line that says to the whiners &#8220;Do Not Cross&#8221;. We don&#8217;t all have to be best friends with each other but I sometimes wonder to what degree Keith gave up because of the non-stop cowardice and stupidity of what way too many efxers did to him.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d prefer it if we didn&#8217;t push Pixie and Rusty anywhere near the same brink Keith was pushed to.</p>
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		<title>By: drdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>drdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teamdemented said it so well, I can&#039;t add much.

So I&#039;ll just shrug my shoulders and say &quot;Takes all kinds.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teamdemented said it so well, I can&#8217;t add much.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;ll just shrug my shoulders and say &#8220;Takes all kinds.&#8221;</p>
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